Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Thanks so much for agreeing to be interviewed. I and a lot of people know about your harsh reality with Afrika Bambaataa however I want to concentrated on how your disability played a role in not only early days of Hip-Hop but as you wrote in your book on job discrimination. As a Black disabled journalist, author, poet and founder of Krip-Hop Nation I try to advocate and bring to the surface the talents, culture and discrimination of Black disabled people, artists. Please tell us your childhood.
Ronald Savage: OK. Well, you know when I was younger– I’ll talk about my Tourett’s Syndrome. When I was younger, I always would wonder why I used to curse to myself, and I used to say the word “shit” a lot, you know? And it was always like I had to, I always had to say it. I always had to. I liked just the sound. I used to always think, “What is the matter with me” [laughs]? And it’s like I used to do it all the time. Even when I was at school, I used to do it, and teachers used to think that I was being a clown. I used to get in trouble, and I used to tell them that I didn’t, I couldn’t help it, you know? And then that’s when at the school, I got into it in school and my brother and my parents talked to teachers. My mother knew that. I used to live in the house back when she had to asked me and knew. I used to click too. That’s when we found out that it was something that I couldn’t control. So then, later on down the line, my mother was watching a program, and it was Tourette’s. So at that time, the doctors didn’t know what it was. So my mother had watched this program on Tourette’s, and she was like, “That’s the same symptoms that my son has.” So that’s when she took me back to the doctor, and that’s when they diagnosed me with Tourette’s Syndrome. Then growing up, I really didn’t like–I don’t know–really being around people that I didn’t know because I used to click and stuff like that. People didn’t understand it. Some people would try to tease me and stuff like that. So during that time, a little past that time, that’s when a friend of mine that lived in my building named Denise, I used to their house every day ’cause I had a crush on her little sister, Laverne. They called her Ava for short. So that’s when I met Denise’s boyfriend, and her boyfriend was DJ Jazzy Jay [laughs]. You know and Bambaataa DJ. Yeah, so then that’s when I heard– I had heard about her growing up because everybody knew who Jazzy Jay was you know. . It was an honor to meet him. I became like their little brother ’cause I used to go over there every day. One day we had asked Jazzy to play in the park, the park around my block. I grew up in Castle Hills projects, and we asked to DJ in the park. The park was in back of my building. So then he ends up DJing, and that’s when we had met Afrika Bambaataa and the rest of the Zulu Nation Council, the council members and other Zulus. My sister ends up hooking up with one of the Zulu Nation members, and a few people in my building had hooked up with some Zulus. Everybody hooked up with somebody but me [laughs]!
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): I read that your nickname is The Son of Hip-Hop. How did you get that title and what does it mean to you & tell us about the Son Of Hip-Hop Movement?
Ronald Savage: OK, well basically, back in 1990, I was working for Dick Scott, Dick Scott Entertainment. Dick Scott, he was the manager for the New Kids on the Block and Marky Mark and Brenda Kay Star and a couple of other artists. At the time, before I worked for Dick Scott, I was working for Jazzy Jay at Strong City Records, and Jazzy had an artist–not an artist–a rap group called the Def Duo. Their manager was Peter W who was the tour manager for the New Kids on the Block. During that time, Peter had heard a lot about Bee Stinger because I was hitting the hip-hop records played on the radio and in the clubs and stuff like that. He wanted me all to himself for his group. So he asked me did I wanna come work for him at his entertainment company. So at that time, I jumped at that chance to go there because during that time, I really didn’t really wanna be around in the studio too much longer because Afrika Bambaataa used to come up there, stuff like that. I just felt funny around that guy. So I started working for Dick Scott. Then, what happened was about one day, while Dick Scott was on tour with the New Kids, they had met a guy named Turbo B. Turbo B, he was in the rap group called Snap! Peter called me and was telling me that I needed to hear this song by Snap! called “I Got the Power.” He was like, this song is like wild kids out there overseas. So long story short, Dick Scott ended up managing Snap!, and during that time, the record “I Got the Power,” it was such, to me, it was like conscious rapping. It was like “I Got the Power,” for me that was uplifting, that title and stuff. During that same year, Public Enemy had came out. And during that time, I was into community stuff, you know, community involvement and stuff.
So one day, I’m on the road with Snap! I was like man, this Hip-Hop is really like a movement. I was so into it and into the consciousness of Snap! That’s when I started writing down elements that I felt that Snap! had stood for. I felt that Snap! was part of a movement, especially after I heard Public Enemy. And I used to listen to Public Enemy, and I was like man, this Hip-Hop is like conscious awareness. I started writing. I wrote down “conscious awareness.” I was trying to get some meaning for this movement thing that I felt that it was. I had wrote down “conscious awareness”, “civil rights awareness”, “activism awareness”, “justice”, “political awareness”, and “community awareness.” And I was like man, this is Hip-Hop movement. So during that time, I had made up some stickers that said “Hip-Hop Movement,” and I had those elements under it. I used to give them out when Snap! used to perform. I had never really got to really be involved with that hip-hop movement during that time because Snap! was like they had the #1 record, and I was to be–’cause I was on the road with them–I was supposed to take care of the business side of it on the road. And then that’s what that was. That’s how I came up with those elements Hip-Hop Movement. And then fast forward. At that start for me with Hip-Hop, rapping in I believe it was 2007. I don’t remember. I had at that time started my own non-profit organization. I had got elected to lead the state Democratic committee. I was elected to that. So then I felt that me being in politics and me coming from Hip-Hop, I felt I was representing Hip-Hop but on a higher level. So it’s Hip-Hop that is more than Hip-Hop. You guys can, we all can elevate from this into politics. So that’s when I started saying that I was Son of the Hip-Hop Movement.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): I read that you grew up with your disability. I grew up in New York in the ’70s and ’80s too. In New York and Hip-Hop back then how did you, yours parents and the Hip-Hop founders deal with your disability? Did you have to hide it back then, or was it open?
Ronald Savage: Well, what I did was I used to pal around with the Zulu Nation. And with them, they had dared anyone to bother me or snap on me or say anything about me doing the tics or stuff like that. During that time, the only person that could snap on me was them. So it didn’t upset me in a negative way as far as being teased or stuff like that. But I say it may happen that disability it was a plus because with Tourette’s, Tourette’s is for an impulse, and it’s like a urge to do stuff. And with me, I can’t–and it’s always been like that ever since I was little–if I’m working on something, or if I’m doing something, I don’t know how to stop. I just keep at it, keep at it, especially if it’s something that I want. I just, I don’t know how to stop, and so I do it until it’s done. If something pops into my mind, and even if it’s good/bad, and I try to find it to just don’t do it, it’s a urge that I have to do it until I get it out. That helped me in the entertainment field as far as pushing the hip-hop records that I was involved in with Strong City Records. Because they used to call me that I was a go-getter, but it wasn’t really a go-getter. I was a person having Tourette’s [laughs]! And that’s how I used to always bug the DJs. I used to call them at 8:00, 9:00 in the morning. Did you get the Busy Bee record? Did you get this record or that record? And I used to go to the clubs, and if I didn’t hear the records, I used to stand there right next to the DJ until he played the record. That’s how I got our records played constantly because it was an urge in me, and I wasn’t gonna stop until you know unti Jazzy told me to stop [laughs]!
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Wow! So this is back in the ’70s and ’80s, right?
Ronald Savage: Well, this was– Yeah, yeah, in the ’80s, back in 1986. That’s when Jazzy Jay had teamed up with Rocky Bucano to start our Strong City Records. So yeah, it was in the late ’80s.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): You are also a journalist and an author, and you ran for office. Tell us about how and why you got into these arenas and what have you achieve in these arenas?
Ronald Savage: Oh, OK. Well, what happened was that I had a non-profit organization. When you have a non-profit organization, non-profit organizations and politics go hand in hand. Once you’re an organization, you are automatically in politics, especially when they have to get reelected. They want you out there getting petitions signed and stuff like that. When you’re doing different events or workshops, the politicians, they especially the ones that’s giving you funding, they like to attach their name onto the things that you’re doing because you’re actually using their money. So that’s the beginning of me being in politics. It was the same thing, just me constantly out there doing different events. And then I had caught the attention of a councilmember Annabel Palma. So she used to always have me do different events and stuff like that. That’s what I was doing with my non-profit organization, and then I caught the attention of assemblyman Peter Rivera. At that time, Peter Rivera, he was looking for a new State Committee member. One day they asked me, did I wanna run for State Committee under Peter Rivera. And I said, “Yeah.” They end up having me run, and I won.
So after I became a member of the Democratic State Committee, at the convention, I had started introducing resolutions. And during that time, everyone had liked me, and during that time Peter Rivera, his district had never had a State Committee member speak on the floor at the New York State Democratic Convention. I was the first one to ever speak on the floor, and that just made Peter look really good because it was his State Committee member. During that time, I introduced the resolution for our gay rights, for people to push the resolution for gay marriage. I introduced that. Yeah, I introduce that onto the floor at the State Committee. Yeah, that’s something that I’m very proud of even though I don’t believe in men marrying men or women marrying women because I’m a true believer that a man should marry a woman and vice versa. But I’m also pro-choice, and that’s what made me wanna introduce the resolution, because I believe who am I to judge anyone? The only person that can judge any person is God. And if I have the power to give someone a choice, no matter if I believe in that choice or not, if that’s something that someone else believes in, and I have the power to give you that, that’s what I’m going to do. And that’s what I did. I did that, and I introduced a resolution to– What was the other one? About teaching in schools about animal rights. I was really, really involved with the State Committee, and that was something that I was very proud of.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Yeah. How did you get into journalism?
Ronald Savage: Well, journalism, I’ve always voted and stuff like that. So that’s really how I became involved in journalism. This was before I had my non-profit organization. I used to go around the community and see what the community needs: Is it trash cans or street lights or humps on the street by schools? I used to write my own newsletter for the community, and I did it with my own money and stuff. It was cheap cheap. It was a cheap newsletter. I did it on the computer, printed it out, and just put it into the neighborhood.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Oh, cool!
Ronald Savage: Yeah. So I was doing stuff like that on different topics, and it was effective because it caught the attention of different agencies and different politicians. And I used to get things fixed in the neighborhood. One day, I had searched on the Internet journalism, and I came across a journalism agency that was giving out press passes. You can get your news story up on their website and stuff like that. So I had signed up for it, and that’s when I got my press pass and stuff. So I started writing on different things in New York. And the journalism company that I hooked up with, they had ties to the German news. So that’s really how I become involved with journalism.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): I read in a couple articles, and you talked about it earlier: You added the sixth element of Hip-Hop, and you had some interesting things about what is Hip-Hop Culture and how you don’t believe in it. Please tell us more about that.
Ronald Savage: The culture of Hip-Hop. When people talk about when they say the culture of Hip-Hop or Hip-Hop Culture, it really bothers me. I start to feel like yuck, you know? Because to me, Hip-Hop Culture represents me being molested when I was younger. Me going to the parties, to the Bambaataa parties, with Big Daddy, ’cause I was always with Big Daddy carrying his records, stuff like that. When I see going to the parties and seeing people break dancing, and when I see graffiti and stuff like that, going to the parties, you know, me going to the parties, I always used to wonder who else was this man touching? So anyone around him, it was always suspect to me. I just didn’t like that whole thing because to me, it was like he started Hip-Hop Culture to be around young boys and to be able to use his power of who he was to get us to do certain things that we never woulda had done if he didn’t approach the way he did. So when people “Hip-Hop Culture,” to me it represents pedophilia.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Let’s get into your first book, your first book, IMPULSE, URGES AND FANTASIES. Many know about why you wrote this book about Afrika Bambaataa, but you said that the title refers to your disability. As myself being a Black disabled journalist and activist I have seen this erasure of disability especially Black, Brown and poor people with disabilities. Please tell us why is it important to include disability into not only your stories but into Hip-Hop. Tell us more about that book.
Ronald Savage: Oh, OK. Well, I came up with the title, IMPULSE, URGES AND FANTASIES. It represents my disability. It represents me having Tourette’s Syndrome. Urges, when I explained I have urges to do things, and I do things on impulse. So I named it Impulse, Urges. And then the fantasies part is I’ve always wondered what type of person I would be if I never was molested, and I never had a disability. So that’s the what the fantasy part represents. So that’s why I named the book IMPULSE, URGES AND FANTASIES.
And so how the book came about was this was back, I believe it was 2014, I was sitting back, and I was looking at my life. During that time, I had broke up with a girl that I had really, really loved, I had really liked a lot. Every girl that I was involved with, they had always said, they all said the same thing, that I didn’t know how to show affection. I didn’t know how to show love and stuff. So it really took a toll on me to where I almost tried to commit suicide. I was that broken. So I end up, instead of doing that, I end up telling myself that I need help like right now. I had took myself to the doctor’s office, and I remember breaking down in the doctor’s office. I was like, “I really need to talk to someone.” So they end up having me go and talk to a therapist. They said that I was suffering from a severe depression. I was telling them that I had broke up with my girlfriend, and I said, “I can’t hold onto girls and stuff.” I started seeing a therapist, but over the weeks and stuff—
Well, that first day, they end up giving me a depression pill. So I started depression pills and stuff like that. She was seeing me once a week. The therapist was seeing me once a week, and a psychiatrist was seeing me once a month. So I never really opened up to her to the things that was really, really bothering me. She had told me that I should go home and write things down on paper that was bothering me. Since I don’t wanna talk about it, just put everything on paper. So that’s what I did. I just started putting down all the bad things that happened to me and the good things, both of them, because I was like, if she’s gonna diagnose me, she needs to know everything about me. I felt comfortable writing it down on paper. As I was writing over the weeks, she would ask me, “Well, how is that writing going?” [laugh] And I was like, “It’s going. It’s going good.” She’s like, “Is it helping you?” And it actually was helping me because I was actually getting everything out on paper that I never could say with my mouth. And I was like, damn, my life is like a book [laughs]! I mean ’cause I had all these papers. I just was putting everything, and everything was just coming back to me with my life and stuff like that. So I was like wow, you know what? This is like a book. So I ended up turning it into a book. I was like, I’m just gonna do it in a book form so that I can give it to my therapist. Yeah, and that’s what I did. Once it was finished, she sat, and she read the whole thing. She was like, “This is really good.” She was like, “You need to put this out!” [laughs] Yeah.
So she got the whole thing of that’s when in the book I have put about me being molested by Bambaataa. I had put about my mother having sex in front of my friends. I had put when my father tried to throw me out the window and just everything that I just couldn’t talk to people about, I put in that book. And they started treating on the things that she had seen in the book. That’s how the book became about– And I also put about me, my disability, having Tourette’s and how I came to stop. I used to curse. That was part of the Tourette’s. I don’t know how I did it, but I always just try to hold the cursing in. I used to sit on my bed and just try not to do it. I ended up, over a period of months, that’s how I just I don’t curse anymore. The “shit” part and “fuck, fuck,” I don’t do that anymore. I don’t know. I guess it’s mind over matter. That’s how I ended up stopping that part of the Tourette’s. But as far as the ticking and stuff like that, that’s forever. That’s life [laughs]. And it explains it in the book, and in the book I’m telling people with disabilities that just because you have a disability, that doesn’t mean that you cannot accomplish your dreams because it explains how I’ve done and accomplished a lot of things in my life even by having a disability. So the book is like lesson’s learned. To me, it’s an encouragement not only for people with disabilities to see all the accomplishments that I’ve done being in Hip-Hop, being in politics, starting my own organization. It gives people hope to say, “Well, if this man can do it, so can I,” you know?
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Yeah, definitely. Krip-Hop Nation is so excited to find your stories because that’s what I do, that’s what we do, is uplift people with disabilities in Hip-Hop and in the music industry. So it’s so exciting to really find your story and talking about your sexual assault and Hip-Hop and everything. So thank you so much. It’s a part of what I call Black disabled history, your story. I didn’t know that you, having a Black man to be the Son of Hip-Hop. I didn’t know that! So I’m really proud that I finally get to talk to you. Tell us about your other organization. I think it’s called ULULY.
Ronald Savage: Yeah, well ULULY is my trademark brand. That’s my brand that I’ve put together. Yeah, you know I did that when I was doing the book because the book is by ULY. That’s the name of the company, that brand that I came up with. And then what I did was I just started tapping that niche of t-shirts and stuff like that because it’s a brand. So it’s a clothing line and stuff like that. That’s something that I’m very proud of. Even though it’s a clothing line, it is elite, you know rocking the way it’s supposed to rock. But it’s not about the sales. It’s about the accomplishment that I’ve done it and that I’m doing it. Slowly but surely, it’s getting out there, and that’s something that I’m very proud of also.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): You said that Afrika Bambaataa and people in the Zulu Nation knew about your disability. Did you ever see other disabled people/youth in the Zulu Nation back then?
Ronald Savage: Wow. Hmm…. I can’t– Oh, no! Yeah, I remember one person. I can remember one person that had a disability. I don’t know if he was in the Zulu Nation, but I know that he used to always be at the Hip-Hop parties. Yeah, I can just recall one person.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Oh, wow. Interesting. How would your work now touch on youth, especially disabled youth and young Black boys, & what advice would you give youth with and without disabilities who want to get into Hip-Hop?
Ronald Savage: I’d tell them to follow, just follow your dreams and never give up. And especially having a disability, I know the challenges that comes with it. Probably people don’t wanna deal with people that have disabilities and maybe in the music industry as a whole, period. Because I don’t know too many. But what I can say is that anyone that has a disability, and they feel that they wanna get into the music industry and things like that, you know me coming back into being a part of the music scene, I wanna help anyone like that that wants to get into the music industry. If they have a disability, they can reach out to me, and we can try to accomplish this together [laughs].
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Oh, good. You know Krip-Hop is an international network, and we’ve been around for 10 years. This is our 10th year, and we’re all about advocacy and education around Hip-Hop, disability, and disability culture. So I’m really glad to really meet you.
Ronald Savage: Yes, thank you. But you know, nowadays, you don’t really need a record label. They can sell on the Internet. There’s so many different ways of getting your music out.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Oh yeah, totally. Most of the disabled Hip-Hop artists that I know are independent because the labels are so ableist and discrimination. So they do it themselves, yeah. How can people support your work, and how can people get your books?
Ronald Savage: They can get my book online at Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com, or they can go to the Barnes & Noble store. That’s how they can do it. They can support me by going to ULULY.org and getting my clothing line!
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): As a journalist and a person with experience in the political arena, what are your advice for our communities, Black community, Hip-Hop community, Disabled community, in these days & how your Son Of Hip-Hop Movement can help at this time, especially with Donald Trump in office?
Ronald Savage: Well, what I’m going to do is I just think that me and otherdwe trademarked our Hip-Hop movement. Yeah, and so with the Six Elements of Hip-Hop Movement, which is consciousness, civil rights, activism, justice, political, and community awareness, what we’re going to do is everyone has always talked about that the movement of Hip-Hop and stuff like that, but no one’s never really took it to the next level as far as really putting consciousness and civil rights out there under the banner of Hip-Hop. That’s exactly what we’re going to do. We’re going to start to try to get people in Hip-Hop to actually rally and fight for civil rights and stuff like that, especially with the election of Donald Trump. The way Hip-Hop can contribute to this is with their records and stuff like that, they can stop calling women bitches and hos and stop glorifying selling drugs and carrying guns, and put real civil rights awareness music out there and real consciousness and give something positive so that our youth can follow and stuff like that. With the Hip-Hop movement, you’re gonna see us doing a lot of political things with the years ahead, especially with the election of Donald Trump because when he’s saying that he wants to make America great again, he’s really saying he wants to make America white again. He wants to take the Black community, and he wants to knock us back down to the 1920s and ’30s and ’40s and ’50s. I believe if we don’t stand up as a whole unit and show unity, then he will accomplish that.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): I totally agree. I love what you’re doing. So keep on doing it, and if you need anything from Krip-Hop Nation, please call me.
Ronald Savage: I will.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): So I heard in one interview that you’re doing a song on an album?
Ronald Savage: I did a single. So I did a single, and it’s gonna come out this year. It will be a dis track for KRS-One and Afrika Bambaataa [laughs].
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Oh, wow. I can’t wait to see it! So when it comes out, can you let me know?
Ronald Savage: Yeah, I will. I will. I’m putting it up independently through this other guy named Mr. Freeze, he was one of the original members of the Jazzy 5. That was another Bambaataa group. They make record called Jazzy Sensation . He’s actually the one that’s gonna put it out. So I’m owing him to put it out [laughs]!
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Any last words you wanna say?
Ronald Savage: I just would like to say that I salute the Hip-Hop movement, and anyone that really wants to be involved, they can definitely give me a call or go to my website, which is RonaldSavage.com. Let’s do this together.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Yeah, totally. Totally. Great. Thank you so much. When the story first broke, I always thought why is nobody talking about his disability, you know?
Ronald Savage: Right.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): It’s a big, huge part of the story. And being an activist and being a journalist, I always knew that mainstream media just don’t wanna talk about it. So I was like I need to interview him and talk about other things. So thank you so much.
Ronald Savage: Yeah, you’re welcome.
Ronald Savage Talks About His Second Book, I Have Tourette Syndrome & I’ve Been Discriminated Against
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): You have a second book talking about your job discrimination. Tell us more about that second book that you published.
Ronald Savage: Oh, well I do security. What happened was, one day I had forgot to take my pills ’cause I have seizures also, and I forgot to take that medicine. And I had to take some other medicine for my Tourette’s when I was at work. Me having Tourette’s, I don’t really like to have people on my left side because it triggers the Tourette’s. One day, I was at work, and they had put me in a new different location than I was used to working. And new places and stuff like that, it triggers it. So I had told the supervisor there that I really didn’t wanna work that side; it bothers my Tourette’s. So when I was on the other side, it was bothering me. So my co-workers, they had noticed that. So they had called down to the supervisor and asked, “Can I have never asked them to take this call?” So they did it on out of their caring for me because those were my co-workers that I worked with every day. So they had called the supervisor and had asked him if someone can work the side that I was on so I can go back to my other location that I usually worked at for them. So then the supervisor came up, and he was like, “Oh, what’s your problem? Why you can’t work on this side?” And I was like, “Carlos, you know I have a disability.” He was like, “Oh. You have a disability? Come with me. Give me your radio.” I gave him my radio, and we went downstairs. He called the office and said, “I’m sending a guy back by the name of Ronald Savage because he has some kind of disability.” And he had said this in front of everyone. It really bothered me because I couldn’t believe that he said that. No one has ever said that about me in my entire life.
So then Carlos gave me the phone, and the dispatcher’s like, “You know, what’s going on?” I said, “Well, Carlos said that I can’t work here no more because I have a disability.” And they was like, “Ronald, that’s not funny.” They was like, “Go back upstairs.” I was like, “Yo, but Carlos said that I can’t.” They was like, “Put Carlos on.” So I put Carlos on the phone with them, and he ends up turning red. I don’t know what they told him on the phone, but then so he didn’t put me back at that location. He put me at a total new, a total different location that he knew that the very first day when I had worked there, they had put me on the 5th floor of where I was working at in the courthouse. And being in small areas, it triggers my epilepsy. The epilepsy that I have, I kind of time out. I kinda tune out. I go, I just leave [chuckles]. I don’t fall on the floor or nothing like that. I just tune out. So he put me on that floor, I guess, as a punishment. So with me being on that floor, I kept having seizures, back to back to back. He refused to put me back at the location that kept my disability at ease, you know? So what I did was I contacted the EEOC, and I had put up a charge of disability discrimination against the company, which is Summit Security. That’s what I did, and that’s basically what I wrote in the book.
And then the other time was I was at a differnt job. This was before I got to this one. They had discriminated against me again because this company, they used to take ten dollars out of your paycheck every week. I was telling them that that’s against the law. So I them how can you charge us it was a necessary tool and uniform to do the job. So how can you charge us for our uniforms to work for you? They didn’t like that. So I end up calling the Anttorney General end up investigating it, and come to find out that the company Cambridge Security, the uniform company that they claimed that they was getting the uniforms from, they owned. So that was against the law. So the company made them give back each employee back their money over a five-year period. So they end up have to give every employee back the money they put out for the uniforms over five years [laughs].
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Wow.
Ronald Savage: Yeah, so you know I became Public Enemy #1!
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Exactly.
Ronald Savage: So one day, I had forgot to take my medicine for my Tourette’s, and I couldn’t stay at work because I kept ticking and clicking and stuff like that. So they end up using that as an excuse to get rid of me. Then they end up sending me an email saying that they don’t have a site that fits my physical needs. So that right there was discrimination. So I took that email, and I gave it to the EEOC. The EEOC end up saying that they discriminated against me. We end up settling out of court. They end up giving me money, and that’s when I went to the other job. And that’s what happened at the other job. Basically, it’s telling people that, this book is telling people that if you have a disability, stick up for your rights. Just don’t let a company walk right over you ’cause you have a disability. And letting people know there are agencies out there that will fight for your rights. That’s basically what this book is, to bring awareness of the discrimination in security jobs, to bring awareness of that by me telling my story of what happened. Hopefully it can lead to changes in the laws. That’s something else that I’m going to be fighting for also.
Krip-Hop Nation (KHN): Oh, really. That’s good. Great. Thank you so much.
Ronald Savage: Yeah, you’re definitely welcome.
Pic: Ronald, a Black man sitting outside next to a Black iron fence with Black shoes and slacks and a white with blues button down shirt and a tie on. Looking straight into the camera.